Drake can’t have all the fun. Even though Kanye West declared that it was Drake season, his recent interview with Interview Magazine only reminds listeners as to why Kanye is one of the most interesting and divisive rappers of this past decade. Conducted by Steve McQueen, the director of 12 Years a Slave, ‘Ye’s interview gives readers insight on how he expresses his creative self, his mindset pre- and post-car crash that left his jaw wired shut, how he didn’t want to live his life according to how others define the word “success,” and more.

Read some of the highlights from the discussion between the two artists for Interview, as well as the photos from the stunning photoshoot below.

On not living within the confines of what others define as “success”
It’s the only way that I can survive. The risk for me would be in not taking one—that’s the only thing that’s really risky for me. I live inside, and I’ve learned how to swim through backlash, or maintain through the current of a negative public opinion and create from that and come through it and spring forth to completely surprise everyone—to satisfy all believers and annihilate all doubters. And at this point, it’s just fun.

On having a position of power and money
I want the power to create what is in my mind. That’s my dream. I want to be able to have a thought or an idea and bring it into reality. I want to be able to walk into a gym and say, “I think this gym could be better if Axel Vervoordt [the Belgian interior designer] worked on it.” I want to be able to say, “I think school could be better if a director did all of the programming, and there were screens the size of the walls, and instead of kids being asked to get off their iPhones, they were encouraged to use them so they can move forward faster as human beings instead of being held back from the future with dated curriculums.”

On what love means to him at this point in time
Love … Well, if someone has got all the money in the world, they’d still want love.