When two people, deeply embedded in the artistry and business of music, come together, you can bet on it being one hell of a conversation. That’s exactly what happened when Radio 1’s Zane Lowe sat down with production mastermind Rick Rubin, for an hour-long BBC documentary.

There’s a lot of good music documentaries out right now, and this in-depth conversation doesn’t disappoint. Touching upon everything from the making of Yeezus, to Rubin’s admiration for Kanye West, and the producer’s experience working with Eminem, the doc gives a fantastic look into Rubin’s portfolio, and overall outlook on the music industry over his 40+ year career.

Watch the documentary above, and if you’re still intrigued, go ahead and watch Zane Lowe’s most interesting interviews—including one with Kanye—here.