Who knew that Rainn Wilson could look so terrifying with a full beard? What started off as something that could potentially have been a Between Two Ferns-esque interview between Wilson and Arcade Fire’s frontman Win Butler, ultimately ends up being a very thoughtful and insightful conversation about the Haitian influence on Reflektor, the origins of the banjo, and more. But worry not, those who are looking for hilarity—the two manage to nonetheless include some laughs. After all, Rainn Wilson had to kidnap Butler in a van to get this interview (though that little detail is actually a part of Wilson’s Metaphysical Milkshake interview series). Watch the clip above.